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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:27 pm

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Preempting Shel's post:


There are dozens of examples in the animal world of species that exhibit homosexual relations. I'm not just talking "dominance games" or "pre-adolescent play." Full blown homosexual intercourse occurs. Otters, Dolphins, Wild Dogs, Monkeys, and Parrots are just some I can list off the top of my head. Google it.

There are also dozens of societies that not only practice homosexual relations, but have instituted the construct of marriage between people of the same sex, and have done so for THOUSANDS of years. Native Americans are famous for it, as were tribes in South America. India has a very similar custom, as do some of the Central Asian cultures. Pacific Islanders are big on reversing the masculine/feminine dichotomy of the traditional nuclear household, and African hieroglyphics allude to homosexual intercourse in religious rituals dating back for millenia.

The bunnies at the pet store next door rape each others faces when they're put together in the back room =X

Poor Bun-bun, YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE MR. BUN!
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:27 pm

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Short version: I'm surprised that the two of you are surprised. That is a fairly standard reaction from some religious groups. Hell, Damacus, you lived with Xeos for awhile and he shares the same viewpoint.

I wasn't suprised by the viewpoint but rather Shel equating someone committing a crime to someone "deciding" to be gay.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:29 pm

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Short version: I'm surprised that the two of you are surprised. That is a fairly standard reaction from some religious groups. Hell, Damacus, you lived with Xeos for awhile and he shares the same viewpoint.

I wasn't suprised by the viewpoint but rather Shel equating someone committing a crime to someone "deciding" to be gay.

Might have come out wrong, the point was, people make decisions based more on what they feel than the ramifications. So gay people WANT to be gay and don't care about the abuse.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:29 pm

Dimidréas wrote:
The bunnies at the pet store next door rape each others faces when they're put together in the back room =X

Poor Bun-bun, YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE MR. BUN!
How... are you straight... ?


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I wasn't suprised by the viewpoint but rather Shel equating someone committing a crime to someone "deciding" to be gay.
While I don't believe he actually intended to make that literal translation, it would not surprise me if he saw them on the same level. The Church has considered homosexuality a sin/crime since it's existence pervaded the public consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:30 pm

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Honed wrote:
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Goddamn forums ate my post... Evil or Very Mad



Short version: I'm surprised that the two of you are surprised. That is a fairly standard reaction from some religious groups. Hell, Damacus, you lived with Xeos for awhile and he shares the same viewpoint.

I wasn't suprised by the viewpoint but rather Shel equating someone committing a crime to someone "deciding" to be gay.

Might have come out wrong, the point was, people make decisions based more on what they feel than the ramifications. So gay people WANT to be gay and don't care about the abuse.

Have you been gay before?
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:30 pm

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Never? That's just natural

so how does a person choose to be gay then?

And your answer as to why wasn't an answer so much as it was you dodging the question so let me ask this: why would someone choose to risk being ostracized by their family, friends, loved ones, and society as a whole?

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Short version: I'm surprised that the two of you are surprised. That is a fairly standard reaction from some religious groups. Hell, Damacus, you lived with Xeos for awhile and he shares the same viewpoint.

Who do you mean by "the two of you," I'm a little confused? If it's me I'd like to make it clear that I'm not really surprised at the reaction from some of our religious members. When Xeos and I lived together it was a year of awesome debauchery and the extent of conversation never really got much deeper than "dude our neighbors suck" or "fuck I think my g/f's pissed at me."

If it ever did I honestly don't recall. However, considering the amount of beer we went through that year I'm sure we may have grazed some more meaningful topics than booze, boobs, and boners (such as religion, gay rights, abortion, etc.) Either way, despite having different views on a lot of shit (which I pretty much assumed given our different backgrounds growing up, etc.) I still consider Xeos one of my better friends irl.

Oh, and let's not forget the incredible amounts of unprotected sex with underage illegal alien boys, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:31 pm

Bad question to ask Shelarahn but:

Did African-Americans being oppressed in the 1960's (or today for that matter) choose their skin color? No. Nor do homosexuals choose their orientation.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:32 pm

Ah... good times. Why won't Xeos let ME tell the guild about any of that stuff?

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:33 pm

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Bad question to ask Shelarahn but:

Did African-Americans being oppressed in the 1960's (or today for that matter) choose their skin color? No. Nor do homosexuals choose their orientation.

That's kind of a whole different ball game
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:33 pm

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Bad question to ask Shelarahn but:

Did African-Americans being oppressed in the 1960's (or today for that matter) choose their skin color? No. Nor do homosexuals choose their orientation.

this.

and what honed said too.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:33 pm

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Obamarahn wrote:
Honestly I've never given much thought to putting it in ANYONES butt, its an exit dude, not an entrance


Birds and bees talk incoming...

You see son, when a man loves a womens breasts or another mans snausage he sometimes gets extreme urges to unfurl his own penisetic banner and put it in their pooper. Sometimes in uncontrollabe moments of kinky fetish desire they will remove their penis and proceed to receive oral sex. This is what we call ass to mouth, which is only acceptable if the heat of the moment makes it so. The common household wife is known to be a strong opponent of this practice, leaving many a husband to live vicariously thru the honored men and women who provide adult erotic entertainment available in various media formats.

For a more explicit visual might I suggest www.putitintheirpooper.com.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:34 pm

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Ah... good times. Why won't Xeos let ME tell the guild about any of that stuff?

hahahaha because he doesn't want it coming back to haunt him?

he and I'll have to talk about some of the funnier moments sometime and I'll share the better shit that happened that year.

There was also a lot of bad too, but that's another story.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:34 pm

To all who have an actual interest in this topic, Google:

"Coming of Age in Samoa"

"Tearoom Trade"



Two fascinating case studies that have direct relation to this thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:35 pm

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Dimidréas wrote:
The bunnies at the pet store next door rape each others faces when they're put together in the back room =X

Poor Bun-bun, YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE MR. BUN!
How... are you straight... ?


Because I was born with the desire to put it in wimminz vah-jay-jays.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:35 pm

I'm interested enough to check it out

BUT NOT UNTIL I NAP, DAMNIT
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:43 pm

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I'm interested enough to check it out

BUT NOT UNTIL I NAP, DAMNIT

Damacus I finally looked at your avatar...I hate lolcats but that is amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:44 pm

Honed wrote:
Damacus wrote:
I'm interested enough to check it out

BUT NOT UNTIL I NAP, DAMNIT

Damacus I finally looked at your avatar...I hate lolcats but that is amazing.

Why u no haz luv fer lolcats! ?

>U,U<
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:45 pm

Honed wrote:
Damacus wrote:
I'm interested enough to check it out

BUT NOT UNTIL I NAP, DAMNIT

Damacus I finally looked at your avatar...I hate lolcats but that is amazing.

tyty

I hate them too, but I saw this picture and had to have it mostly because I could see myself doing the same exact thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:46 pm

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That is where I have to disagree Galt. I want the atmosphere that my Family and I live in to be the closest thing that I can to what my moral values are, regardless of where those values come from. Just as I am sure you probably want the place you live to give people the right to marry because that is where your values are.

You seem to have this mixed up in your head. Gay marriage is allowing gay people the same rights you want. You are not any more entitled to rights than a gay person is. It is also not your right to impinge on others' right to enjoy the same freedom you do.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:04 pm

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That is where I have to disagree Galt. I want the atmosphere that my Family and I live in to be the closest thing that I can to what my moral values are, regardless of where those values come from. Just as I am sure you probably want the place you live to give people the right to marry because that is where your values are.

You seem to have this mixed up in your head. Gay marriage is allowing gay people the same rights you want. You are not any more entitled to rights than a gay person is. It is also not your right to impinge on others' right to enjoy the same freedom you do.

Dammit you I was just typing something like this.
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:06 pm

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Honestly I've never given much thought to putting it in ANYONES butt, its an exit dude, not an entrance

The mouth is an entrance so you are saying you're okay with putting it in a man's mouth?
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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:14 pm

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Obamarahn wrote:
Honestly I've never given much thought to putting it in ANYONES butt, its an exit dude, not an entrance

The mouth is an entrance so you are saying you're okay with putting it in a man's mouth?

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Prop 8 and Christian Traditions   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:33 pm

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Xeos wrote:
That is where I have to disagree Galt. I want the atmosphere that my Family and I live in to be the closest thing that I can to what my moral values are, regardless of where those values come from. Just as I am sure you probably want the place you live to give people the right to marry because that is where your values are.

You seem to have this mixed up in your head. Gay marriage is allowing gay people the same rights you want. You are not any more entitled to rights than a gay person is. It is also not your right to impinge on others' right to enjoy the same freedom you do.

It will be if we can get this law passed, it will change what the rights are.

Many things are wrong but are now socially acceptable and "legal" and so become more common. I don't want homosexuality to become any more frequent than it already is. I refuse to sit idly by and watch things happen that I know are wrong.
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