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PostSubject: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:50 am

PVE Talent Spec 18/53/0

Armory Link http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Sahdrei

Stats (Unbuffed)


CASTERS ONLY
Spellpower: 1219
Mp5 (while casting): 162
Hit: 189
Crit: 16%
Haste: 73

Do you have any resist sets? If so, what and how much? N/A

What is your trinket set-up? Do you have the 2 minute PvP trinket? Do you need any obvious upgrades? Currently have two increase spell damage on use trinkets.

Where are you from? British Columbia, Canada

How old are you? 16, will be hitting 17 in march if that makes a difference

Do you have a mic/headset for vent? Yes I do

Do you have Grid, XPerl, PallyPower, or some other UI that helps you buff, pick up loose aggro, etc? Yes

Raid Experience SSC/TK/Hyjal

Guild History The Dark Allegiance - My first raiding guild in TBC, an outstanding group of people but I had taken leave for spring vacation and when I had return the majority of the main raiders had left including many of my closer friends, I stayed for a couple of weeks before realizing that there was no more progression to come.

Digital Heroes - Definitely not my favourite guild I had ever been in, many people were very unfriendly towards eachother on a daily basis. A little too much drama for me. It ended up breaking into two different guilds in the end due to the two leaders of the guild fighting frequently: Digital Heroes and Iron Knights. I decided to join neither in the end and gave up World of Warcraft for a few months.

Acknowledgment of agreement to our rules and times I agree to Damage Done's rules and raid times.

Preparedness for the next scheduled raid, unless stated here I'm ready to start running at any time.

Reason(s) for applying I've always been a person who strives to reach end-game content and frankly it really gets to me if I don't. I feel as though I haven't been given the opportunity to do so and know that in Damage Done being a respectable and well-known raiding guild I'd have my chance to work at it.

Final Thoughts, why you would be a good addition to Damage Done Since my experience does not match those of most players in Damage Done (clearing BT and fighting through Sunwell), and neither does my gear now or pre-wotlk compare, I could only put it simply as I am sure that my dedication, battle awareness, attitude to raiding and my willingness to reach the top will be a great addition to this guild.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:05 pm

First few things that come to mind are:

1. Stats are pretty low. Low hit, low hate, low spl dmg. Though you did mention your current gear not being BT / SWP gear you are well below the average gearing of our raid members.

2. Lack of enchants. Granted that you're currently upgrading gear, it is still pretty important to be fully enchanted or provide a good reason for this not being the case and a sufficient reason will be hard to offer when applying to a progressive raiding guild concerning this.

3. FSW Boots. /boggle

I am not an officer nor am I a mage (you should see my scrubtastic mage on Lightninghoof though XD) but thought I would mention this as politely as possible since you seem like a decent person based on your app =)

G/l with the application dude.


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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:10 pm

Thanks for the quick reply, I'll get on it with the enchants and should be picking up a new dagger and offhand which should bring me to 1402sp, hopefully with full enchants I'll be near 1500.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:14 pm

didnt read your app besides the title, explain your spec?


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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:25 pm

This mage spec goes into arcane for spell impact for 6% increased dmg as well was focus magic to increase crit chance by myself and a party member, I prefer to have another mage and I cast focus magic on ourselves to get a larger amount of crit bonus. The rest of the spec is a simple Deep Fire. My usual spell rotation would be to pop a living bomb on the target, cast put up the scorch debuff and whenever I can throw in fireball, when hot streak procs it's an instant pyroblast and rinse and repeat, keeping living bomb up as much as possible. Mage armor is also an important asset to keep mana flow constant.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:07 pm

Sahdrei wrote:
This mage spec goes into arcane for spell impact for 6% increased dmg as well was focus magic to increase crit chance by myself and a party member, I prefer to have another mage and I cast focus magic on ourselves to get a larger amount of crit bonus. The rest of the spec is a simple Deep Fire. My usual spell rotation would be to pop a living bomb on the target, cast put up the scorch debuff and whenever I can throw in fireball, when hot streak procs it's an instant pyroblast and rinse and repeat, keeping living bomb up as much as possible. Mage armor is also an important asset to keep mana flow constant.

While sure, you make valid points, your spec will never outdps a frostfire-based spec(in this patch at least). also, not taking up elemental precision puts you at about 1/2 of the hit cap, max'ing hit would be the biggest dps upgrade for you, basic mage 101, hit cap > your life. you also haven't replaced a single gem/enchant since you hit 80, cept the chest one. i see neither your tailoring or enchanting are high enough levels to benefit you.

seems to me like you havent done/seen the theorycrafting on wotlk mages, know little about maging, and could never have gotten into the guild when t6 was around, so you're seeing 80 as a new gate, which it could be if you prove you're not an idiot.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:46 pm

Punctuation is a lost art. Neutral



That being said, all of the points raised by Amal are 100% valid. This spec has been shown to be dated, and does not compete with a pure FF build in any scenario. Please provide a link to the wowhead.com talent builder. While we have a fairly good idea what your spec is, "fairly good" remains insufficient.

I also share Dimidréas' concerns about your gear. You seem like a smart guy, so you probably realize that by applying to our guild you are starting several steps behind square one (due to your levels of gear and experience). Now I'm still willing to give you a shot, simply because I value adaptability and intelligence over purples and ilevel, but you have an incredibly high bar to clear. First, I want to see how you reply to Amal's "suggestions." After that we'll have to see where things go.


... and thank you for the application and interest. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:41 pm

The Canadians are coming out of the woodwork.

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:42 am

Amal you're definitely right about my spell hit, I'm well aware of it being a major part of successful mage dps. I know this is old knews, but I felt like my inability to head into end-game during TBC was not due to my lack of class knowledge, but more to just being barred off by gear limitations and just the plain difficulty of finding a well oiled raiding team when everyone seems to be full of your class haha. I'll take all the points you've made and wouldn't mind if you'd actually help me out just become an overall better mage, any information about my class is accepted here (I really would like to become one of the best, if not the best Wink ).
I just wanted to state/ask about my lack of crit being a major reason I haven't been in the FFB build, I was originally FFB-specced but I just did not seem to have the crit to make FFB useful at the time, I have a little bit of a gear upgrade though, and could possibly pull it off now? If you'd like I would respec immediately to see it's effectiveness in a heroic and test it out.

Zyzzx here's a link to my exact build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0qcz0hZMEc0RhIhVubhct
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:23 am

Dimidréas wrote:
low hate

i lol'd
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:24 am

Bakeyero wrote:
Dimidréas wrote:
low hate

i lol'd

lol you said manhood.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:07 pm

Do you really use Mage Armor?

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:21 pm

- Z - wrote:
Do you really use Mage Armor?

Arrow It's armor for mages, duh Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:31 pm

So then do Demonology Warlocks use Demon Armor?

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:43 pm

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So then do Demonology Warlocks use Demon Armor?

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Suspect Of course, because they can be demons. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:18 pm

Haha I use Mage Armor depending on the situations, most single-target boss fights can be done with Molten Armor.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:17 pm

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Haha I use Mage Armor depending on the situations, most single-target boss fights can be done with Molten Armor.
you know the last time i cast mage armor?

pvping as an arcane mage vs caster teams at 70. 140 resists to all forms of magic.

y'know why? cuz it's terrible for pve.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:29 am

Amalgarashi wrote:
Sahdrei wrote:
Haha I use Mage Armor depending on the situations, most single-target boss fights can be done with Molten Armor.
you know the last time i cast mage armor?

pvping as an arcane mage vs caster teams at 70. 140 resists to all forms of magic.

y'know why? cuz it's terrible for pve.

You shouldn't have even cast it back then!
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:13 am

Well, I just feel the 50% mana regen while casting is very useful for the fire spec, particularly in a raid environment where fights can last quite a while.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:19 am

Sahdrei wrote:
Well, I just feel the 50% mana regen while casting is very useful for the fire spec, particularly in a raid environment where fights can last quite a while.

Well sometimes I feel myself at night, doesn't make it right though
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:03 pm

Sahdrei wrote:
Well, I just feel the 50% mana regen while casting is very useful for the fire spec, particularly in a raid environment where fights can last quite a while.

no
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

unless your ret pally and all your spriests die if you go oom you're doing it very, very wrong. We have mana gems, mana pots, evocation, BE's have arcane torrent, there are so many ways to prevent you from going oom if you cast mage armor when about to go onto a boss the raid you're with is better off without you because the chances you dont know something else pretty damn important is pretty high.

you clearly do not know mages. even trying to argue pro-mage armor makes me physically sick. get a clue. www.elitistjerks.com is a good place to start.
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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:09 pm

I'm going to guess that the answer to my PM then is "no."

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PostSubject: Re: [Declined] Sahdrei - Focus Magic/Deep Fire Mage   Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:16 pm

Alright, so after some careful consideration (and pants-on-head ranting by Amal) we are going to respectfully decline your app. Lacking both raiding experience and gear is forgivable, continuing to try and defend points that were annihilated years ago in a multitude of forums (usually under posts titled "mage 101") is not.

Best of luck to you with your search.

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