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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:00 pm

Kamma wrote:
Examine:


See my last sentence

And no Dimi, I'm not upset, I'm just tired of being the ONLY Conservative having to fight with someone whos only response is "lol ur fat GO OBAMA"


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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:01 pm

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So fuck you, Galt

Classy way to reinforce your points. Even though they hold as much water as sarah palin's panty hose its good to see you're at least trying. Well, trying to try, at least.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:02 pm

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1. He busted the balls of the unions
2. His tax cuts are one of the causes of the '90s economy boom
3. He tried to kick people off disability who probably weren't really disabled
4. He fucking rolled the Commies
5. He made it illegal for people to hire fence hoppers

And for everything bad he did, he atleast had the balls to admit it. When asked about the national debt that rose during his presidency, he said "It was one of the biggest mistakes of my presidency."

1. The unions were fucked already. This began before him.
2. Wrong. The 90's economic boom was due to the combination of a reduction in the federal deficit which brought down long term interest rates (undoing Reagan's crowding out of investment) and rapid increases in productivity.
3. Ok.
4. The commies were fucking themselves over anyway. Hint: they were communist.
5. What a terrible thing to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:02 pm

Galt wrote:
Shelarahn wrote:
So fuck you, Galt

Classy way to reinforce your points. Even though they hold as much water as sarah palin's panty hose its good to see you're at least trying. Well, trying to try, at least.

How do they not hold water? He did amazing things that brought on great changes for this nation.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:03 pm

Rofl, the wahmbulance has a funny sound to it today.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:03 pm

[quote="Shelarahn"]
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See my last sentence

Regretting something does not make it ok. Reagan's debt is a gigantic burden on the US. That mistake alone outweighs anything he did positively on the domestic front.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:04 pm

Kamma wrote:
Shelarahn wrote:

1. He busted the balls of the unions
2. His tax cuts are one of the causes of the '90s economy boom
3. He tried to kick people off disability who probably weren't really disabled
4. He fucking rolled the Commies
5. He made it illegal for people to hire fence hoppers

And for everything bad he did, he atleast had the balls to admit it. When asked about the national debt that rose during his presidency, he said "It was one of the biggest mistakes of my presidency."

2. Wrong. The 90's economic boom was due to the combination of a reduction in the federal deficit which brought down long term interest rates (undoing Reagan's crowding out of investment) and rapid increases in productivity.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_25/b3888032_mz011.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:05 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:07 pm

Are you really going to make me tear that thing apart? Really? Like really?
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:08 pm

Kamma wrote:
Are you really going to make me tear that thing apart? Really? Like really?

Yeah I realized after I linked that that I was in for a page of econobabble and pie charts
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:09 pm

Don't blame him, it was the first result on google.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:10 pm

You'll notice I stay out of all politic discussions. But the "having the balls to admit what he did wrong" thing made me chuckle. Also.. arguing about economics with kamma is probably the equivalent of arguing about anything with tak, youre not gonna win. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:11 pm

Galt wrote:
Don't blame him, it was the first result on google.

3rd actually
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:22 pm

Let me correct myself. Long term interest rates actually rose up until '98 when they fell. This was largely due to the massively increased demand for capital due to the productivity shocks of the information revolution. Which means that IF the deficit hadn't been reduced they probably would have been even higher, blunting the successful investments of the 90's.

Really. What we are arguing is Reaganomics vs Rubinomics. See: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_25/b3888037_mz011.htm (Same issue that your silly article came from.).

Now, post summer/early fall of '08. I think the problem with over stimulation via deficit tax cutting is made self-evident by Bush.

Reaganomic deficit stimulation ALL-THE-FUCKING-TIME has been discredited as unsustainable.

Edit: Note, reaganomics is really just military-Keynesian policy during peace time on crack with JFK style tax cuts thrown in to boot. It is demand management at its worst. Pump up GDP in the bad times, and pump up GDP in the good times. Creates a good amount of debt, but makes you look real good in the short term (which is all politicians should rationally care about). It's OMG WTB MORE FREE LUNCH.

Guess what, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

EDIT2: L 2 FISCAL CONSERVATIVE. Noob.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:38 pm

OMG CHARTZ




Hey hey, it's quiz time, cheers

Based on the above graphic. Which party has seen the largest DECREASE in the size of government.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:48 pm

Green party?
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:01 pm

Shelarahn wrote:
Galt wrote:
Don't blame him, it was the first result on google.

3rd actually

His Reagan talking points and quote were in order off the Wikipedia page too, but I figured you guys didn't need the help. I still have a positive feeling about Reagan (other than the spending), but maybe that is colored because he was the first President I can remember. I was 5 through 13? You can't argue his popularity and whether or not you want to fine pick the credit on things that happened during his term you still have to admit they happened during his term and in general the American public credits that to the president, good or bad. You can't really have it both ways, if you aren't going to mention Communism falling with Reagan then can you really mention the illegal police action in Iraq with W. It was going to happen anyway right? *wink*
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:06 pm

Malaese wrote:
Shelarahn wrote:
Galt wrote:
Don't blame him, it was the first result on google.

3rd actually

His Reagan talking points and quote were in order off the Wikipedia page too, but I figured you guys didn't need the help. I still have a positive feeling about Reagan (other than the spending), but maybe that is colored because he was the first President I can remember. I was 5 through 13? You can't argue his popularity and whether or not you want to fine pick the credit on things that happened during his term you still have to admit they happened during his term and in general the American public credits that to the president, good or bad. You can't really have it both ways, if you aren't going to mention Communism falling with Reagan then can you really mention the illegal police action in Iraq with W. It was going to happen anyway right? *wink*

Well considering I wasn't ALIVE when Reagan was president, I kind of have to read articles. Not too much first hand experience
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:22 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:18 pm

Galt wrote:

hahahahahahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:54 am

Wise man once say:

It is better to be called a fool and remain silent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:25 am

The Cup guy is good but that freaking dog is pure gold.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:13 am

Incidentally, I really do hope that Obama's fiscal policy will win some notoriety so the word "Obamanomics" will enter the english vernacular.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes. We. Can.   Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:30 pm

Bit late me thinks.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obamanomics&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.amazon.com/Obamanomics-Bottom-Up-Prosperity-Trickle-Down-Economics/dp/1583228659
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